here’s an example for you to drive home why sentiment like this is dumb and creates false equivalencies. when I was 14, I worked at a grocery store. there were two managers that I would get scheduled with. they both sucked and were awful human beings. however, one was a known child predator. which one do you think I’d rather get scheduled with?
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Oversimplified political apathy
Is what gave you Trump 2
Being against all genocide isn’t oversimplifying anything
Apathy benefits only the republicans
That’s what happens when lobbies can just buy your politicians
The funniest thing about non Americans is that they think most of us don’t fucking know this. It’s so annoying
funniest comment section of all time. my country truly will never change for the better.
Finally someone who speaks the truth, however humans are a lost case, you can’t un-slave mentality without changing the people.
So… I should just lay down and take it? I’m not sure what point is being made.
Yes, but Americans hating their government is exactly what got us here.
Doubling down on that sentiment is only going to make things worse.
You understand that, right?
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We currently have two parties in the US:
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The Nazi party.
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The Nazi collaborator party.
One is objectively better than the other, but that ain’t saying much.
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“This parent abuses you much less than the other. Why are you complaining?!?!?!”
Interesting analogy I have found. There is a plethora of psychology and sociology studies that show that children in abusive relationships end up hating the parent that refuses to stand up to the abusive parent more than the parent doing the abusing. Even if the child wouldn’t phrase it this way, there is an acceptance that abusive alcoholics exist. It is the supposedly good and sober parent letting it happen and enabling it that generates the greatest anger and hatred in the child.
And back in real life rather than your imagination, we’ve got the actual rapist versus the guy who once smelled someone’s hair. Yeah definitely both the same. /s
Yeah, America is a capitalist hellhole, but the false equivalence you folks are pushing is absolutely astonishing.
Genocide denier
Joe Biden also raped a woman, Tara Reid.
How many did he deport in the middle of the night without due process?
Well, can’t guarantee that he can maintain the record over the next few months, but currently Biden holds the record.
Grossly oversimplifying how the Democrats SQUASH real progressives and bring watered down meager “progress.” Despite the fact survey after survey will show the vast majority of the country wants significant progressive change or at least agrees with the ideas, like right to abortion or gun control measures, or expanded healthcare.
They lost multiple times in the last decade by forcing candidates the majority clearly did not want, but settled for. They forced Biden back into the picture, and Biden was unwilling to do anything serious or drastic while he had the reigns.
They toss out ideas cranked up to 4 instead of 10, get challenged, and then throw up their hands like they’re all out of options while the other side destroys the place with them.
Look at Schumers actions last month with the Continuing Resolution. Pathetic weasel.
Yes. The literal Nazi is the worst. But that doesn’t make the democrats actions okay. The democrats have been the enablers who allowed it to get this far with the Nazis. Together, both parties are doing everything they can to control the narrative and not let it get out of their hands.
Learn to walk and chew gum at the same time. Anger does not need to have a binary limit.
Oh yes this is exactly what OP is saying. I’m sure Biden along with all the other Democrat politicians care IMMENSELY about everyone and are pure, benevolent beings. OP is 100% wrong. Democrat politicians treat every US citizen as if they are their own child. As long as the Republicans continue to do awful shit I will 100% believe this is how the world runs!
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As an outside viewer, the Democrats seem like the obvious better choice. The also obviously don’t care about you that much. From what I can tell, while their actions are not outright destructive towards you, they at least seem only superficially helpful.
And sure, that’s much better. I don’t think they care about you.
This “both sides” is bullshit when you are getting a train run on you by the Republicans…
And the leader of the Democrats describes his job as “keeping the left pro Israel”.
Correct, but still not even close to the same thing. More of this “balanced” stuff.
Anywho on the plus side, he’s getting wrecked in the polls vs AOC who’s looking to take his place though.
Genocide apologist
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No u
How isn’t it the same thing? Supporting Israel is supporting Israel if you put a Donkey on your branding or an elephant.
I’m an Independent. But there’s no “leader” of the Democrats, it’s a big-tent party. Chuck is head of the group of Democratic senators, but he doesn’t dictate things outside of Senate business and we don’t blindly all follow everything he says. That’s the difference between electing public servants and people in a cult.
EDIT: Downvote all you want, this is a simple fact. You’re allowed to just want to be mad! But I don’t know why people click the “down” button just because they don’t like what was said… Has anyone used actual logic and facts to disprove me? Of course not…
The only time Democrats won’t fall in line is when they have to vote for Republican budget bills.
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Interesting.
Obama dropped an average of 80 bombs per day on the ME and North Africa during his presidency. The number of civilians murdered is impossible to calculate.
For a USAmerican(or any other person), their primary concern would be their own safety, right?
Unless they can form/support a major third party, they are effectively forced to a two-choice system
The USA is not the world, and its citizens should start looking towards the welfare of the people their country murders.
True
Choosing not to participate in the two choice system is how you get a third choice btw
When both choices explicitely lead to mass murder its mandatory for any ethical person to do all they can to make some third outcome happen.
Voting quietly for what may be slightly less mass murder but certainly is still mass murder is a pathetic and shameful way to chart a course forward. A handful of us have more dignity than that.
What would the steps be for that?
I’m not USAmerican, so I don’t know much of the base level stuff there. I think they have a green party or so. But are they a good/distinct enough choice?
Yet clearly that did not fucking happen and people are STILL getting genocided on top of many many more shitty things. Life is worse for everyone now congrats.
Choosing not to participate is how you become dominated by one of the parties, possibly the one you like the least. The way to actually be able to participate is by trying to change the system itself. By that I mean changing First Past the Post voting in each state, as this is the means through which other political parties would be able to spring up. Another option is to run for government yourself as an actor for change within one of the major political parties.
Make no mistake, changing the system is possible. Alaska and Maine have both done it already. Other states can do it too. I think trying alternative voting systems such as ranked robin voting, STAR voting, score voting, or even ranked choice voting would be a major step towards other political parties and to move away from the most the least liked candidates winning elections.
I’m not sure why this was voted down, real lasting solutions require hard work and organizing to make change. Mind you, changing the system of how we vote alone isn’t the end step, but a starting place for change.
Are you denying that the Dems are shit? Just because the Reps are worse and currently in power?
What kind of an argument is that supposed to be?
What are you talking about the initial argument is completely insane to be begin with. I think Biden came into office and reduce child poverty or hunger or something by half as his first action.
We’re gonna compare that to Trump destroying the economy, removing due process, open up national parks to logging, letting DOGE cut departments with corruption, invading other countries?
Biden gleefully engaged in one of the worst genocides of the era. He should be in a cell in the Hague.
100% agreed. I’m forgetting my history though, what did they used to do with genociders and war criminals? Something about a rope or a wall.
And its a little past time that the entire Democratic party acknowledge that what Biden did was genocide, and what Harris was proposing was continuing with it.
Dems shouldnt measure ourselves by what republicans do, if they ever want to win an election again.
I agree I think it’s fucking horrible and I think Chuck Schumer and everyone on any side of the political aisle that upheld this should be in a jail cell too.
Lol, while technically true there’s a big picture you’re missing… The start of his presidency did co-incide with some things like the child tax credit etc. that did drop the official measurement to a historic low of 5.2% in 2021, but was then quickly repealed by bipartisan support in Congress causing it to skyrocket to 12.4% in 2022.
In the US the child poverty rate had been slowly, but steadily, declining since the peak of the great recession… Until the Biden presidency circa ~2022 at which point it skyrocketed by the end of his presidency reaching ~2012 levels.
While technically true that “Biden came into office and reduce[d] child poverty [sic] by half as his first action.” It ignores that immediately afterwards he did “destroy the economy”. Don’t get me started on ‘removing due process, open up national parks, cutting departments with corruption, invading other countries’ because also yes!
Not to say Trump is better (we can all agree fuck that guy and all his cronies), but Jim Crow Joe is/was also evil, you’ve just been tricked into thinking otherwise…
Thanks for replying, I just recalled this:
Now we can say he failed but I can’t say that specific act is evil. Palestine on the other hand … ☠️
Like, I get your viewpoints and you guys think I’m trying to bury any negative viewpoints of the democratic party or that I’m brainwashed. Which is funny to me because I hate the establishment Dems. I just think posts saying both suck and attacking the Dems aren’t helpful because they currently have no power. The other party is causing a lot of damage and there seems to be no stopping them so kicking the feckless Dems when they’re down seems weird to me.
I also think the democratic party needs to be ousted by progressive candidates that have a good vision for the future. I’m not gonna lie though I don’t see it happening. The establishment Dems aren’t gonna bow down. Also, I see so many protests happening and although AOC and Bernie have made the news I don’t think I see the Dem leadership taking advantage of this and putting up a solid front either, like wtf is going on? I’m not sure it’s the coverage but it really seems like they’re lost.
The difference is the viewpoint:
attacking the Dems aren’t helpful because they currently have no power. The other party is causing a lot of damage and there seems to be no stopping them
If you buy into the underlying premises of how a liberal democracy functions (liberal used here as a technical term, not as a perjorative) then the only ones who have the power to stop the other party is the Dems and they actively choose not to. They’re neither down, nor out they’re doing their job of controlled opposition exactly as they are supposed to.
I still don’t like saying how they’re both the same because I fundamentally don’t believe that to my core (ie if they had all three branches we wouldn’t be talking about all this current mayhem).
However, I think I understand your point and I agree with it.
So thanks again!
They aren’t the same, one’s a sword and one’s a shield. The shield can’t effectively stab, but the sword can’t either if it’s forced to parry instead.
I engaged because it seemed like there was agreement, just miscommunication. Glad I was able to help cut through it :D. Appreciate you!
What are you talking about the initial argument is completely insane to be begin with. I think Biden came into office and reduce child poverty or hunger or something by half as his first action.
Are you having a stroke? I don’t follow your point and/or syntax.
We’re gonna compare that to Trump destroying the economy, removing due process, open up national parks to logging, letting DOGE cut departments with corruption, invading other countries?
What do you want from me? Obviously we agree that Trump is worse than the Dems.
That still doesn’t make the Dems “not bad”.
Nobody said the Dems were perfect OR not bad through the chain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence - is what this post is.
Nobody said the Dems were perfect OR not bad through the chain.
Never claimed that someone claimed that. Again: how is the original post wrong?
Two parties in a two party system is no case of “apples and oranges”. That’s as close to a fair comparison as you’re gonna get.
Ghonorrea and pancreatic cancer are two things I don’t want to have. Is this “false equivalency” as well?
Two parties in a two party system is no case of “apples and oranges”. That’s as close to a fair comuarison as yo’'re gonna get
stroke much?
seriously, this isn’t a “fair comparison” because it doesn’t address any sort of nuance nor is it supposed to. It’s supposed to make people go: “yeah the dems suck too” rather than understand anything about what’s going on.
If you claim to be on the same page then whatever, we can just agree on our core points leave it at that.
stroke much?
I guess you never make typos, then. Huh? /s
seriously, this isn’t a “fair comparison” because it doesn’t address any sort of nuance nor is it supposed to.
I’m sorry that I slandered ghonorrea by comparing it to pancreatic cancer. Clearly I forgot the nUaNcE between these two horrible sicknesses. /s
Wait. How can there be any “nuance” if you can’t compare the two parties? Is a comparison of apples with oranges flawed because of the “nuance”?
It’s supposed to make people go: “yeah the dems suck too” rather than understand anything about what’s going on.
That’s what you think the intent is. I think that it’s supposed to state that the US democratic system is not suitable for a fair and equitable world and the Dems are not the solution of the mess the US is in.
You can have your own interpretation but don’t assume that this was OP’s intent.
After the train run on you by democrats…
I can’t deal with US politics right now and this thread.
I’m fucking Canadian and people upvoting this both sides nonsense is getting my blood boiling.
I thought this enlightened centrist shit was over with but people are bringing it up like they’re some next-level IQ genius. When in reality they’re trying their to push people to the right (whether they understand it or not).
When is your country going to return the land they stole to its indigenous peoples? When is the US democratic party going to stop supporting the genocide of Palestine?
If its people not voting for the US democratic party, rather than either of the above issues that “gets your blood boiling”, you might need to re-evaluate which side of the white supremacist line you’re on.
I’m fucking Canadian
So you probably dont even understand the full context of what you’re talking about.
Arent there other countries political websites you can go bother people on? Try Australia, your fellow commonwealth country (sorry australians). Theres plenty of other places to be a touriust with strong opinions about other peoples governments.
I’m sorry that genocide is okay to you but you draw the line at bad optics. That sounds like a you issue. Genocide apologist don’t tend to be the sharpest tools in the shed though.
You think neoliberalism is on the left? Well, in this case yes we’re pushing people to the “right” if your scale is inverted
whether they understand it or not
If such a thing can be done without understanding, how do you know that you aren’t the one who has been pushed to the right and that you aren’t doing the work of dragging others along with you?
What does you being Canadian have to do with anything?
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ICE and deportations grew massively during Obama’s presidency.
By the numbers: Under the Obama administration, total ICE deportations were above 385,000 each year in fiscal years 2009-2011, and hit a high of 409,849 in fiscal 2012. The numbers dropped to below 250,000 in fiscal years 2015 and 2016.
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blueMAGA fascists don’t think non-Americans are human
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Least incoherent fascist
When it involves citizens, it’s a travesty. When, it’s literally everyone else (the overwhelming fucking majority affected by ICE deportations), it’s acceptable collateral, bonus brownie points when it’s done by the Blue team.
Get a grip.
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Did you already forget that it was you that dismissed the deportation statistics posted above during one of Team Blue’s occupation with “ok but this time it’s Team Red and it involves our citizens! This is worse”? So when the Blues do it without citizens, somehow that’s a “fine price to pay”? Is it perhaps, bipartisan unity we’re witnessing? No, it couldn’t be!
Do you understand the underlying racism with that sentiment, and that for as long as you don’t, that you’ll find it difficult to get a grip with reality?
Genocide apologist
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You don’t realise it, but people like you would vote for hitler or claim hitler was the same as other parties.
Lol, what a fucking stupid insult “oh, you oppose genocide? Well guess what, in my imagination, you vote for Hitler!”
Meanwhile, in the actual real world, you support actual genocide.
I don’t recall the democrats supporting rapists… Or threatening others.
Ignoring the accusations against Biden himself, systemic rape is a huge part of the genocide that the Democrats support.
You’ve literally got Trump now trying to become third term president to avoid jail. It’s a dictatorship mate
K, you were already committing genocide, I don’t really care about your precious standards and norms.
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You’re targeting 1 issue specifically
That one issue: the wholesale extermination of an entire country.
My point is, Trump is actually behaving eeringly similar to Hitler at times.
So were the democrats, when they committed genocide.
Trump is literally asking Israel to clear out so he can steal the land for trump hotels
Israel was already clearing out the land, with the full support of the Democrats, you only care when it’s Trump doing it though.
They’re NOTHING alike.
They’re both genocidal psychopaths
Trump is literally committing crimes against US people, and tried to deport LEGAL citizens
Sorry, I forgot that blueMAGA people like you are hardcore fascists who think only Americans are human.
Now, it was discovered he deported people who shouldn’t have been, and the supreme court can’t get them back.
That’s not really comparable to murdering hundreds of thousands of people who shouldn’t have been. Oh sorry, I forgot, only Americans are people.
You’re so focused on the 1 issue
Again, that one issue: the mass slaughter of an entire people.
and the good things they’ve done
“At least Hitler made the trains run on time”
that you’re ignoring the 50000 other ones Trump is doing
No, that’s you projecting. You’re the one who ignores the evil one side does.
Tim walz was literally bragging about feeding school kids.
Tim Walz proclaimed that the expansion of Israel was an “absolute fundamental necessity”, actively supporting the murder of tens of thousands of school kids.
Trump did nothing but talk about himself and “crooked hilary”, “sleepy joe”, etc
“I can accept genocide, but I draw the line at being rude”.
Seriously listen to yourself, you’re more upset by Trump bragging than you are about mass graves full of mutilated civilians and mass rape camps. What is wrong with you!
Usa is worse than hitler
Which is and which isn’t? Who’s political ad was this again about backing the toughest boarder bill ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2F9qGxTKcU?
You really don’t get it, huh?
People heard that shit last time, and they voted democrat, and Biden won. And ABSOLUTELY NOTHING changed.
At the end of the day, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, just like they did with trump, and with Obama, and with every single president who has taken office in god knows how many decades.
And still you’re here yapping “oh noes the horrors, vote Dems”.
Bro, the Dems aren’t LISTENING! Get a Bernie up there, or an AOC, or anyone that the people actually believe will do anything other than feeding the same interests they have been feeding.
And if you’re too thick to realize that, at least you’re not alone, the whole DNC is right there with you.
For sure, the republicans are worst.
But the dems are still not good.
Americans have no representation at all.
When it comes to foreign policy and making the rich richer? Absolutely. The only potential difference is on some social issues.
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It’s okay to hate both.
And it’s ok to strategically vote for the least bad option rather than empowering the most bad option while still acknowledging the system is broken
But I don’t want to vote for trump hes doing genocide
Absolutely agree with this statement.
Much less ok to pretend both are the same
Go back to reddit.
Correct, it’s not pretending but the truth
Nazis vs Nazi collaborators. Yes they’re different, but both deserve the firing squad.
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You got a real shelf to be shoving things off
Americans think their favorite political sports team cares about them like the stripper actually loved them. No, you just gave them what they wanted and as soon as you’re out of sight, they’ll forget you and keep doing their job.
For strippers it’s doing a workout for a living and being proud of their bodies. For politicians it’s gaslighting the public into thinking they’re the good guys as they socially murder at home and sweep up blood abroad.
“I want the USA to suffer and die”
Ftfy. Only one party is actively funded by our enemies and is enacting favorable policies to them.
“our enemies” LOL you Americans are so ridiculous. Turn off the TV, you’re just some dope who works for a living, absolutely no one is your enemy except the dictatorship of capital who are represented by political parties in your country and run capitalism.
Both of your parties carried on illegal wars in my country, toppled the government, left a power vacuum that consumed my family and I still don’t think of you as my enemy.
So you’re calling Putin a good guy now? Not the best look.
This is a fucking bonkers take. Nowhere was Putin mentioned. You people have completely lost your grasp of reality.
Fuck ya moms and you 🖕
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You calling Israel a good guy now? Not the best look
I literally said nothing about Putin, you brought him up out of nowhere. Maybe you should go to a psychologist and get your paranoid delusions under control.
Thinking of politics in terms of good guys and bad guys is kindergarten-level.
You should ask yourself why this is what you got from the comment you replied to. Because that’s very clearly not what was said.
“I want the USA to suffer and die”
trueeeeee 💯💯💯
Only one party is actively funded by our enemies
Incorrect, both parties take money from Wall Street. Only a tiny, tiny minority of the Democrats don’t, and those spoiler Democrats are hated by the DNC far more than the DNC opposes their esteemed Republican opposition.
If you refuse to see the capitalist oligarchs are the enemy that created the conditions for Trump, then nevermind and carry on, as there’s nothing that ever could convince you.
The democrats were committing genocide. GTFO with the “funding our enemies” Ultranationalism.
You are right about one thing though, I do want the USA to suffer and die, given both sides are fully committed to nationalism and genocide.
This was in Canada and we asked people, how much would you pay to clean one lake from acid rain pollution? And we asked other people, how much would you pay to clean up all lakes in Ontario from acid rain pollution? And people gave roughly the same number.
Point is, the vast majority of people are black and white thinkers. You’re either cleaning pollution, or you’re not. 100% of the party supports cutting off aid to Israel, or they’re all literally committing genocide. You are merely one of the vast majority.
What are you talking about? What do lakes in Canada have to do with the fact that the Democratic Party is fully institutionally committed to fully supporting Israel and its extermination campaign?
Republicans are fully committed to supporting Israel and its extermination campaign. Democrats have several members who have called for ending aid to Israel. They are not the same.
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/03/senate-democrats-cancel-military-aid-israel
Only as many token Democrats are allowed vote against this as will not block it. It’s political parlor trick known as the rotating villain (though in this case, rotating hero might be more apt). See also the parliamentarian.
Democrats have several members who have called for ending aid to Israel.
Like 3 right. so 99% the same. So we’re back to telling people to be ok with just slightly less evil. Whcih was tried in the last election and failed spectacularly.
15 Senate Dems vote to cancel billions in Israeli military aid
There’s 49 senate Democrats, which means 30.6% of Senate Democrats have voted for ending aid to Israel. 0% of Republican senators voted to cancel aid to Israel.
Furthermore Republicans absolutely love to abuse pro-Palestine people in the worst ways they can, including arresting and deporting pro-Palestine people and cutting off funding for colleges that allow you to protest. I don’t think that’s “slightly less” evil.
Finally even “slightly less” evil is by definition less evil. Getting in a car crash at 80 MPH is only slightly less likely to kill you than getting in a crash at 90 mph. So what’s the point of hitting the brakes?
To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked. Israel has taken more land for 8 decades and no one is stopping them as they take more. You need every last advantage if you want to turn the tide. Don’t be lazy, make the necessary distinctions between those who might help you and those who will do whatever a judge will allow them to do to harm you.
To be honest, to someone who’s observed this conflict for a long time, your side is getting its ass kicked.
What is your “side”? Neither the GOP nor the DNC are on my side. They’re on their donors’ sides. On the side of Zionists, the military-industrial complex, and other corporations that benefit from US imperialism & Israeli settler-colonialism.
Really‽
Of course
Your oligarchy sponsors both parties all the time.
I am not in possession of them.
Only one party is actively funded by our enemies
You don’t need to be in possession of anything to acknowledge the easily verifiable fact that they are both sponsored by them.
Yes. Yanks occupy my country. I want them all dead.
Israel?
Again…
Again what?
I sometimes forget this place isn’t inhabited by eighty year olds
WTF is this even supposed to mean lmao
ok
In fact some of them hate you and consider you to be a parasite no matter what you do.
