• AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today
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      24 days ago

      Even Rivian is a better option if you still want “luxury”. Priced slightly lower and the quality is much better.

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        24 days ago

        Honestly, Tesla’s quality is far less than most vehicles.
        Apple has a lot of fair criticisms leveled against it, but their products are at least built as well as their competition. Unless I’m woefully out of the loop. That’s also possible.

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          24 days ago

          I can’t speak for Apple quality. But they aren’t environmentally friendly. Batteries can’t be swapped out in newer laptops, and they tend to try and force their customers to always be upgrading. Their updates that intentionally slowed older devices for example.

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            24 days ago

            I’ve had my current iPhone for 4 years, not bought a single replacement cord or anything for it. Apple hasn’t done anything on my device to make me want to upgrade, I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

            Of my buddies with comparably priced android devices I think they’ve all gone through 2 or 3 phones in that time frame. Multiple Pixel devices.

            The updates that “slowed” the older devices was for battery performance and was made toggleable. Android devices do similar things.

            The iPhone XR, from 2018, still receives iOS updates and older phones still get security updates.

            My son is using my iPhone 11 Pro, from 2019. The batter is still fine and I can get it easily replaced if I need to. The phone works, gets updates and nothing is pushing him to upgrade.

            You’re not actually right with your criticism here, you’re just biased.

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              24 days ago

              They were literally fined for this. If you had taken a fraction of the time to search that you did writing the response, you’d have found it.

              Beyond that, instead of slowing the phone down, they could just make the battery replaceable. And yes, android phones have largely moved away from replaceable batteries as well, but that doesn’t change anything.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51413724

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                24 days ago

                and had you read what you linked you’d see how the statement I made isn’t wrong.

                It was done for a legitimate reason, not communicated to customers and that’s what the fine was for.

                You assert it was for “upgrade” reasons

                It was found it was for the reasons I said, they paid a fine and made it more apparent.

                Android does the same thing.

                You just want to hate one side, which is fine. You can be a tech tribalist all you want.

                Just try to be accurate.

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            24 days ago

            No laptop is environmentally friendly. Old statistics, but last time I checked, the carbon footprint for a laptop has basically a train car full of coal. I think Apple was a pretty early adopter of RoHS though. As for updates that slow down the device… Their main competitor is guilty of this too. In October, basically every windows device made before 2016 is going to need to be replaced, disconnected from the internet, or upgraded to Linux.

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              24 days ago

              I’m talking replacing parts and not entire laptops. Which there are plenty that allow this. Macs no longer do.

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                24 days ago

                Sure, but keep this in mind… The logistics for a single part give it a larger carbon footprint than that same part when it is shipped as part of a whole product. I’m not sure where the break-even point is, but repairing the laptop will eventually exceed the carbon footprint of a new machine, before the machine is completely replaced. Generally, it’s better to build for longevity than repairability. I can’t say at that Apple hardware is built to last longer, but that is certainly a claim I’ve seen other people make based on their experience.