I’m saying that I’d take even a full on trickle-down society if NK is a good society to you solely based on the “working class being more equal”.
It absolutely is. Even before he went full on paranoid tens of millions of people starved to death because it was more important to collectivise just for the sake of it rather than taking a pragmatic approach to transition. But hey, that’s okay because the working class had more power, right? No one ever has “absolute” power; Stalin was way more powerful than anyone should ever argue for. Hitler also improved the economy of Germany, are we gonna praise him now? And Stalin, the dude that you apparently love, did help defeat the Nazis by sacrificing 20 million young men and being lucky with the weather. But that’s surely due to Soviet socialism being great, right?
It is absolutely not absurd to talk of a political class. When a certain group of people get the best houses, the best food, the dachas, the best security, access to the secret phones, yes you have a damn political class… I have a realistic view of socialism. You have an insanely rose-tinted view of evil regimes that were never the type of socialist they should’ve been.
Please, China is out-capitalisming basically every capitalist society. They’re built up around amassing personal wealth and mass consumption.
There’s literally nothing socialist about modern-day China except that they have a so-called “dictatorship of the proletariat”. And by that I don’t mean that it’s a bad country - it’s thriving more than most Western countries and it’s safe, clean, and well-off in most places.
All in all you have the view of a privileged c*** who read Marx once and thinks they’re cool but have no experience with totalitarian states
This is all anticommunist gish-gallop with no bearing on material reality nor an understanding of socialism. The DPRK is villianized largely the same way Cuba is, it’s doing well despite overwhelming sanctions. Stalin didn’t change the weather to cause the 1930s famine nor did he tell the kulaks to burn their crops. China is socialist, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and the proletariat is in charge of the state.
Overall, you have no clue what you’re talking about, so you parrot standard liberalism.
I’m saying that I’d take even a full on trickle-down society if NK is a good society to you solely based on the “working class being more equal”.
It absolutely is. Even before he went full on paranoid tens of millions of people starved to death because it was more important to collectivise just for the sake of it rather than taking a pragmatic approach to transition. But hey, that’s okay because the working class had more power, right? No one ever has “absolute” power; Stalin was way more powerful than anyone should ever argue for. Hitler also improved the economy of Germany, are we gonna praise him now? And Stalin, the dude that you apparently love, did help defeat the Nazis by sacrificing 20 million young men and being lucky with the weather. But that’s surely due to Soviet socialism being great, right?
It is absolutely not absurd to talk of a political class. When a certain group of people get the best houses, the best food, the dachas, the best security, access to the secret phones, yes you have a damn political class… I have a realistic view of socialism. You have an insanely rose-tinted view of evil regimes that were never the type of socialist they should’ve been.
Please, China is out-capitalisming basically every capitalist society. They’re built up around amassing personal wealth and mass consumption. There’s literally nothing socialist about modern-day China except that they have a so-called “dictatorship of the proletariat”. And by that I don’t mean that it’s a bad country - it’s thriving more than most Western countries and it’s safe, clean, and well-off in most places.
All in all you have the view of a privileged c*** who read Marx once and thinks they’re cool but have no experience with totalitarian states
This is all anticommunist gish-gallop with no bearing on material reality nor an understanding of socialism. The DPRK is villianized largely the same way Cuba is, it’s doing well despite overwhelming sanctions. Stalin didn’t change the weather to cause the 1930s famine nor did he tell the kulaks to burn their crops. China is socialist, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and the proletariat is in charge of the state.
Overall, you have no clue what you’re talking about, so you parrot standard liberalism.