• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    The tail doesn’t wag the dog. AIPAC and Israel have some level of counterinfluence over the US, but the US Empire is the hegemon, and Israel its vassel. Trying to paint the US as under the control of Israel is mostly an actually antisemetic dogwhistle, and plays into the idea that a Jewish cabal is controlling the world’s Empire.

    I know you probably aren’t intending it that way, but it’s important to correctly criticize the genocidal entity “Israel.” Mis-analyzing the dynamics at play weakens our chances of rectifying them.

    • LupineTroubles [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      I am not sure I agree with this fully, in the sense obviously Israel is a project of Western hegemony and that Israel exists and existed at behest of US and Europe as a foothold to keep the politics of the region volatile and easily influenced. So at a state level, Israel is beholden to US and the West not the other way around. However states don’t exist as some sort of supranational hivemind that dictates politics and diplomacy purely with raison d’état, a state and its institutions are composed of people who themselves have direct influence on policy that can at times go against that raison d’état or just have obvious conflicts of interests that are navigated within circumstances of policy. I don’t think at this stage anyone can deny that Israeli lobbies, chiefly AIPAC, has disproportionate influence over US politicians at legislative level, executive and judiciary is generally independent of this but house and senate seems to have reached a sort of critical mass of AIPAC-backed (directly funded and supported) candidates that essentially share a mission in Zionism and any which falls out of this line just has to fight against the establishment at very disadvantage terms.

      So while I agree that the idea that Israel is somehow the ones that are pulling the strings are an antisemitic trope and ignoring the fact that Israel started as an European colonial project that was backed and supported by West for Western interests and directly tied to US policy in middle-east, and as Biden said once if it didn’t exist it’d be necessary to invent it, we can’t just ignore the undue and disproportionate influence that Israeli Zionist lobbies have in US politics especially at legislative level. Of course this is not just Israel, since there exists other lobbies such as Gulf lobby that are doing similar things and at times even seem to have more influence at executive but it is not quite at the level of AIPAC and the rest.

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      John Mearsheimer also argues this and he is no antisemite. It’s possible that Israel is a proxy of the US Empire while it’s domestic lobby group has inordinate influence on US politics. Both things can be true.

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        Yep, both are true, but the balance of power is still heavily in the US’s favor. Israel has counter-influence, of course, but at the end of the day it’s the US that holds all of the cards.

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      Both the meme and you are kinda wrong. Today, with Trump, Netanyahu does indeed hold influence on Trump, and has for some time. He likely has held influence on some democrats as well. This is because Israel and Russia both likely received blackmail material from Epstein, and are pressuring Trump with that blackmail today. This was always the stick to keep Trump in line. The meme is wrong because Netanyahu is happy with Trump, while Putin isn’t. I believe it is much more likely that Putin is pushing the Epstein narrative now to replace a disobedient Trump with Vance, as Putin and Heritage can do a lot sans Trump. You will notice that the conservatives calling for the list now are generally pro Heritage Foundation, a Putin ally. President Vance is the plan now.

      I don’t hate Jews or Israel. I hate the far right party and Netanyahu.

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        Both the meme and you are kinda wrong.

        It’s actually you that is wrong. Your analysis is great man theory bs