print("odd" if num % 2 else "even")That’s the native python version, for those curious
Oh wow, I think I hate that… Condition between the results? Yuck.
That’s way too non-convoluted enough
Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass
Clearly an inferior language. /s
You would not believe the number of people I’ve interviewed who excel at making Python read like ass.
I mean, it does have enough ways to write the same thing that it can really allow for some funny code golf, but some people just have no sense of readability whatsoever.
Why is the return first?
I think the idea is it reads more naturally, so you can read it like this
return A if statement is true else return BIs it really more natural for a non-programmer than “if statement is true than a else b”? I can’t evaluate because of decades of C, so for me the python logic is still bizarre.
Maybe?
For C at least it doesn’t have the actual words, so you need to know what the specific symbols are
var = condition ? a : b. In that expression we don’t know what a or b are in regards to the condition.Python literally is
a if condition else b, so it reads out what is being done.
Yep, it’s this
Edit… I reread your comment and realized that python does it differently and that everything I typed was irrelevant… I’m still gonna leave it if anyone is interested in ternary expressions, but I suppose the answer to your question is, that’s just how python does it.
That’s how ternary operators are designed to work. In essence, if you’re looking to do a single line if/then, you can directly assign a variable from the result of a ternary expression.
As an example, I was scripting something earlier where there may or may not be a value returned from a function, but I still had to do something with that return value later. For this thing, I was using JavaScript.
I ended up with:
return platform == "name" ? "Option 1" : "Option 2"If I were to write that out in a typical if/then it would be:
if (platform == "name") { return "option 1" } else { return "option 2" }A ternary starts with a boolean expression, then the if true value, else the false value. That’s returned to either a variable or if in a function like my example, to the object calling the function. It’s just a way to write less code that in many cases is easier to read.
print( ["even", "odd"][num % 2] )If you need to avoid evaluating the wrong branch:
print( [lambda: "even", lambda: "odd"][num % 2]() )Cursed
Not as cursed as
print("eovdedn"[n%2::2])Indeed
Just send pseudo code to AI and compile straight to binary.
Peak programming
I love
something = condition and result1 or result2in luaPython does that, too.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#boolean-operations-and-or-not
Are you just referring to how Python uses the English
and/orinstead of the more common&&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua’s strange ternary syntax usingand/or.no, the linked table shows how python also returns the first non-falsey result of an
a or bexpression rather than just giving a boolean. it’s useful for initialising optional reference args:def foo(a: list = None) a = a or []works with
andas well.
often I do a function called elvis XD with the next signature
elvis(condition, res1, res2)
Yeah… I played that “serial killer or programming language inventor” game.
The only one I was completely in disagreement with was the inventor of Python. He’s definitely a mass-murderer
Are you sure it isn’t just that he’s Dutch?
num % 2isn’t a boolean result in any of these languages, so I feel like it would always output “odd”Edit: 0 is false, everything else is true.
All of those languages will convert numbers into booleans, 0 is false, all other numbers are true.
Ah that makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense. I understand it, but it doesn’t make sense.
I agree. If anything it should check if there is a nuumber and 0 is clearly a number.
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0 is false in C, Python, and JS. It should work
In JS at least, there’s a concept of truthiness and falsiness.
0,undefined,null, and a few other non-boolean values are treated asfalseif used in conditionals and logical operations, while every other value is treated astrue. I’m pretty sure python has something similar.It does. Empty collections, 0, None
You’d be surprised.
But seriously, numbers can be used as booleans in an impressive number of languages. Including machine code for almost every machine out there.
The joys of dynamic typing.
In JS 0 is the same as False
They are not the same, but 0 can be implicitly converted to false.
What do you get if you do: 0 === false
Explosion?
