• frezik@midwest.social
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    2 months ago

    And since we’re talking about covid in a mass context outside of just medical professionals, that’s entirely justified.

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        2 months ago

        I knew people that were using disinfecting wipes on their groceries because of contact tracing. Eg, they couldn’t know what or who made contact with their products prior to having them, so they did the right thing in the context of contact tracing and sanitized the items to the best of their ability.

        No, they wasted cleaning product. As I outlined some replies ago, this did have real consequences.

        Let me give you some background. When lockdowns went into effect, I was on the board of a local makerspace with around 400 members and 20k sq ft of space at the time. On that same board was a registered nurse (who has since become a nurse practitioner) and someone in local government who is involved in the administrative part of healthcare policy. When the lockdowns hit, we had the same assumptions about covid being passed through contact, and our landlord also wanted us to have a plan to clean everything before anything opened up again. We figured there might be shortages of cleaning products, so we preordered tubs of industrial strength cleaners in those early days.

        Fast forward to summer 2020 as lockdowns start to be lifted (too soon or not). We hesitated to open up fully, but did some limited things. One thing we didn’t do was deep clean the whole shop. By then, the research had already shown that covid spread through contact was mostly a nothingburger. I don’t remember what we did with the tubs of cleaner (might have donated them to a place with a specific need). We did this at the urging of the nurse and the local gov healthcare person, who both pointed to specific research that was already showing breath being the key transmission method, not contact.

        Frankly, I’m going to take the word of a nurse and a local gov worker than you. Both of whom I still consider friends.

        One thing we did do in summer 2020 was hold some outdoor drive-in movie nights. People could only go inside to use the bathroom. We did have some hand sanitizer around. By that time, there were already recalls on some hand sanitizer that companies had been putting methanol in them, which can make people go blind, or can be lethal. I went through the area and found about half our bottles were on the recall list.

        This is a good example of why “if we only save one life, it’s worth it” is a phrase that should be eliminated from the English language. There are always tradeoffs. Always. This tradeoff was not worth it at all. The phrase only serves to stop people from thinking those tradeoffs through.

        If that’s not enough for you: